What Music Teachers Are Really Looking For In this Season 5 finale episode, Theresa and Kathryn reflect on the school year, celebrate major milestones, and revisit some of the most meaningful themes from the season. Theresa shares highlights from completing her PhD dissertation research on why music educators listen to podcasts, revealing that teachers value…
All Music, All Students: Rethinking What Belongs in the Ensemble Room In episode 113, Theresa and Kathryn sit down with Eric Songer, a veteran middle school music educator, to explore what it really means to move from “music for all” to “all music.” Drawing from his own unconventional path into music—sparked by pop radio and…
We Know We Can: Building Community Through Hip-Hop In this episode, Theresa and Kathryn are joined by Andrew Wang, a K–12 music teacher who brings hip-hop culture to life in a neurodivergent-centered classroom. Drawing from his own experiences as a neurodivergent learner, Andrew shares how hip-hop became both a personal outlet and a powerful teaching…
Creativity and Accountability: Cultivating Lifelong Musicianship In Episode 111, Meagan Thorup shares her journey toward building a music classroom centered on creativity, reflection, and lifelong musicianship. Grounded in the belief that she is not training professional musicians but equipping students with skills they can carry beyond school, Meagan describes how her teaching has evolved through…
Student-Centered Strings: Creating Space for Agency In episode 110, Theresa and Kathryn are joined by Alexis Ganos and Krista Witak, two middle school orchestra teachers who co-teach in a unique, collaborative model designed to foster student agency. They share how their program has evolved over time; from rethinking traditional structures to creating a more student-centered…
Programming for Agency: Choosing Repertoire That Empowers Students In episode 109, Theresa and Kathryn are joined by music educator Mary Cogswell to explore how repertoire choices can help foster student agency in ensemble classrooms. The conversation begins with a discussion of flexible (flex) repertoire—music designed for ensembles with varying or unbalanced instrumentation. Mary explains how…
Centering Learners, Creating Community In episode 108, Theresa and Kathryn sit down with Illinois band directors Kyle Rinke and Jaime Escatel to explore what it really means to center learners and cultivate student agency in music classrooms. Kyle shares how his early, competition-driven mindset gradually shifted after realizing that rankings and trophies weren’t building the…
4 More Mistakes to Avoid When Fostering Student Ownership In this episode, Kathryn and Theresa revisit the topic of student ownership and unpack four common mistakes teachers can unintentionally make when trying to foster it in their music classrooms. They discuss the “bait and switch” of offering choice only to revert back to teacher-centered control,…
Beyond Choice: Building Democratic Music Classrooms In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. David Dockan, assistant professor of music education at Louisiana State University, for a rich conversation about democratic practices in music classrooms and why they matter for student belonging, agency, and lifelong music-making. Drawing from his own experiences as a popular musician navigating…
Curriculum, Choice, and the Path to Lifelong Musicianship In episode 105, Theresa and Kathryn welcome back longtime music educator Merlin Thompson, who reflects on nearly five decades of teaching and his evolving philosophy around lifelong music making. Merlin challenges the traditional, teacher-led “master–apprentice” model by introducing four curriculum models—teacher-led, student-led, shared, and neurodiverse—and explains how…